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Dana White: UFC — The Founder as Chief Storyteller

The founder must be the chief storyteller and biggest fan of the product — authenticity at the podium creates the brand moat; canned PR statements destroy it.

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Why this is in the corpus

Dana White is the canonical founder-as-chief-storyteller case study — building a $20B+ business in commodity combat sports by being publicly authentic, refusing to delegate brand voice, riding tech waves first, and treating creative judgment as a dictatorship.

Summary for skimmers

Dana White on building UFC from $2M to $20B+: post-fight press conference authenticity as moat, biggest-fan mindset, dictatorship of taste in production, riding tech waves (DVDs, reality TV, streaming, AI), the $10M Ultimate Fighter bet, kicking the production truck door, Rogan loyalty, COVID Fight Island, no-plan-B psychology.

Briefing

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Principles

Durable claims that survive beyond the speaker's biography — each with explicit limits, transferability judgment, and evidence.

Principle

Adopt new technology first — every wave is a tailwind if you don't resist

Be first to adopt each new distribution technology and let it amplify you.

Dana's catalog: DVD compilations made millions, Spike TV reality show, Joe Rogan podcast pitch ("that sounds huge"), streaming after a buffering demo, giving YouTubers open access, AI in a White House commercial despite backlash.

Resistance to new tech is the slowest form of suicide.

Now it's all about technology. When new technology comes out, we always try to be first or one of the first to use it.Dana White · 00:05:00

Principle

The founder is the chief storyteller — the job cannot be hired out

Storytelling at brand-voice level cannot be delegated; it is the founder's job because authenticity is the deliverable.

A $150B founder asked Senra to help hire a "chief storyteller." Senra refused, citing Dana White's post-fight press conferences. Hiring someone to perform that role produces canned statements — exactly the failure mode Dana built UFC against.

When founders outsource brand voice, they produce fake phony bullshit.

Hey, can you help us hire or find somebody to be like a chief storyteller? It's like, no, that's the founder's job.David Senra · 00:00:30

Principle

Be the biggest fan of your own product

Founders should build the product they themselves want to consume and remain its loudest, most demanding fan.

Dana bought UFC because he was already a fight fan: "We were huge fans... knew what I wanted to see." 25 years and 10,000+ fights later, he says he now gets to "make the fights I wanna see."

Fan-founder fit is more durable than product-market fit.

I grew up in the seventies and eighties where I used to see CEOs reading canned statements from lawyers and things like that, and just fake phony bullshit that I was never into. So yeah, I'm a huge fan, huge fan still today.Dana White · 00:01:00

Principle

The CEO's taste is the product — run a dictatorship on creative

On creative and brand, the founder runs a dictatorship — every aesthetic call routes back to one person.

At every UFC event Dana sits at the apron with a phone direct to the production truck. He's monitoring music volume, graphics, in-house experience. Producer Zach experiments; Dana says "that was cool, that wasn't, never again."

Brand coherence requires a single taste-maker with veto power.

There is no committee here. There is no whatever. This is a dictatorship. 100% a dictatorship. And I'm listening to how loud the music is, if it's loud enough, if it's not and things are happening in-house and I'm watching what's happening on tv, all of that I can control.Dana White · 00:30:00

Principle

There is no Plan B

Eliminate Plan B; commit to the thing working as the only acceptable outcome.

Asked what he'd have done if Lorenzo had refused to keep funding UFC, Dana said he'd have gotten up the next day and figured it out. He cites Jensen Huang's "loser premise" and Bruce Lee's rule against negative self-talk.

Absence of fallback produces the energy to make Plan A work.

I've never thought about if something doesn't work out, like oh no, I'm gonna, I don't even think like that never even crosses my mind that something's not gonna work. I just keep going until it does work.Dana White · 01:25:00

Principle

Only listen to operators who have done something

Filter criticism by operator status — only people who have done it get a vote.

Critics said WME overpaid at $4.025B in 2016, then Paramount overpaid at $7.7B in 2025: "These people are fucking zeroes." Same wrong call, decade apart.

Listen to operators. Block the rest.

My biggest problem with the media, who the fuck are you and what the fuck have you ever done? Nothing? You're nobody and you've never done anything ever. Nobody's ever depended on you for a paycheck. Who are you to criticize?Dana White · 01:01:00

Principle

Never edit the fight — let the product play out and let fans judge

Don't tamper with the core experience to make yourself look better — the audience came for the real thing.

Mark Burnett's The Contender was the most expensive reality show ever made and failed because they edited fights. UFC's Ultimate Fighter let fights play raw; it became a runaway hit. Dana extends this to press conferences: "that fight sucked."

Authenticity is operationalized by refusing to edit the bad parts.

That's the difference between being a hardcore fan and not, I'm like, man, you don't ever edit a fight. You let the fight play out and the fans determine whether the fight is good or bad and you can't control that.Dana White · 00:14:00

Principle

Block all negative input — your body doesn't know the difference

Treat negativity as a literal performance toxin — block it at the source.

Dana echoes Arnold Schwarzenegger (cut out anyone negative including parents) and Todd Graves (printed positive affirmations on apartment walls). "I cut negative people outta my life so fucking fast. And it don't matter who you are."

Conviction is the operator's scarcest resource; protect it ruthlessly.

There's this Bruce Lee quote where he talks about never say negative things about yourself or what you're working on or what you're doing, even if you're joking. 'cause your body doesn't know the difference... I never take in any negativity. I literally block and call it noise.Dana White · 01:28:00

Principle

Loyalty is the most important asset in long-term operator relationships

Defend the people who bet on you when you had nothing — sponsors can be replaced; loyalty signal cannot.

Joe Rogan called 12 UFC fights for free, then drove to East Coast radio at 3am with Dana for years. When sponsors later demanded Dana discipline Rogan, he refused and named those sponsors as the ones leaving.

Loyalty is a leading indicator of future option value.

Joe Rogan did the first 12 fights for us for free... I don't give a fuck how much money you have sponsored or whatever. Yeah, no, nothing's happening to Joe Rogan.Dana White · 01:35:00

Principle

Pick the founder who wants it the most, not the most experienced

When choosing operators, hunger beats experience and capital.

Lorenzo Fertita told Dana: "You were put on this earth to do this." Todd Graves (Raising Cane's) risked his life on an Alaskan fishing boat, maxed credit cards, built the first store by hand — now owns 90%+ of a $20B company.

Want is the only input you can't acquire later.

if you're gonna back somebody and you could choose the most experienced, the best, the person that has the most money, or the person that wants it the most. It's like you always pick the person that wants it the most.David Senra · 00:42:00

Frameworks

Reusable systems and operating models — including when they help and when they break.

Framework

The Talker-Founder Pair: founder + on-product talker swap drive-time radio markets

When your talent doesn't perform on a key medium, pair the founder with an on-product talker and alternate coverage.

For UFC 30, 32 etc Dana did radio; UFC 31, 33 etc Rogan did radio. 3am wakeup, drop into East Coast morning shows, do drive-time both ways. Years of weekly market saturation. Diagnostic: identify the medium your talent can't serve, then make the founder and one talker the redundant pair.

Founder-as-talent is a real operating mode when talent itself can't serve the medium.

we'd have to get up at three o'clock in the morning. They'd drop us into the markets on the East Coast from six to whatever, and we would literally go all around the country doing the same interviews over and over and over. And Rogan and I did this for years.Dana White · 01:35:00

Framework

Bells-and-whistles vs torch-handoff: producer controls everything except the fight

Maximize the controllables; surrender the veto on the product moment.

Dana's operating split: he runs a dictatorship on every production controllable, then "hands the torch" to the fighters. Producer Zach gets directed in real time on graphics/music; fighters are never directed inside the cage. This split is why the brand can both feel produced and authentic.

Authenticity is a function of correctly partitioning controllables from torch.

You, you, I call it the bells and whistles. We do all the bells and whistles and the fighters, we hand the torch off to them and they go in and they have to, they have to deliver.Dana White · 00:15:00

Signals

What appears to be shifting, for whom it matters, and what happens if you ignore it.

Signal

Live sports as destination programming — streaming platforms now in bidding war

Live sports rights pricing will continue to compound for the next 5-10 years as streaming platforms compete for destination programming.

UFC's deal escalation: Spike $35M → Fox $100M → ESPN $3B → Paramount $7.7B (7-year, includes boxing). Critics called every deal an overpay; each was followed by a larger one.

Live is the only content scarcity left in streaming.

streaming's great right now... so much so that people are like Paramount did the deal with him just 'cause of how much he talks about Landman and Mob Land... I can go watch the whole season tonight or I can watch it three years from now. It's always gonna be there. Sports, live sports is a destination. You have to watch it now.Dana White · 01:09:00

Opportunities

Only included where there is a buyer, a real wedge, and a plausible revenue path — not vague idea theater.

Opportunity

Boxing rebuild: trillions in historical revenue, nothing durable at the end

Boxing is the largest stranded-revenue category in combat sports — re-builder takes the moat.

Dana, via TKO and the new Paramount deal which includes boxing, has explicitly committed to rebuilding boxing the way UFC was built. The TAM is mature; the brand vacuum is real; the operating template is portable.

Categories with trillions in revenue and no durable brand are the highest-quality opportunities for operating-template re-application.

when has there ever been trillions of dollars made and nothing's there at the end, right? Like in boxing, Trillions of dollars in revenue. Yeah. And nothing exists at the end of the day.David Senra · 00:24:00

Lessons still worth keeping

Useful takeaways that did not fully clear the bar for durable principle status.

Lesson

Lorenzo's bathtub decision: one night of sleep flipped a sell-it call into hold

On irreversible exit decisions, sleep on it — a single night flips many no-go calls.

Four years in, Lorenzo Fertita told Dana to find a buyer at $6-8M. Dana called back the next morning to report buyer interest. Lorenzo: "Fuck it, let's keep going." That overnight reversal preserved a future $4B+ outcome.

Decision-pacing is one of the cheapest founder interventions available.

He's like, Fuck It. That's exactly what he said. Fuck it, let's keep going. And he always says, it's, it's pretty amazing what a, what a good night's sleep can do for you.Dana White · 00:11:00

Lesson

First-event Power Slap was profitable — operating template transfers across verticals

The operating template is the moat — adjacent verticals launch profitable because the template absorbs the fixed costs.

Power Slap was profitable from the first event vs UFC's 5+ year profitability lag. Difference: 25 years of accumulated production, talent, sponsor, and broadcast knowledge transfer 1:1.

Adjacent-vertical profitability velocity is a direct readout of operating-template maturity.

It's been profitable since the first event. First event, Okay. Explain what you did differently. Well, I knew everything to do.Dana White · 00:46:30

Lesson

The DVD-era miss: under-invested in a temporary cash window

Temporary cash windows look permanent until they collapse — over-invest while they're open.

Ultimate Knockouts / Ultimate Submissions DVD compilations produced millions in revenue. Dana now believes UFC could have made multiples more had they treated DVDs as a finite-window strategy and run higher compilation volume with better talent.

Over-investing during the boom is the only correct response to a closing medium.

I would've fucking murdered the DVD. We did really well. But I would've murdered the DVD era. I would say more about that. I would've killed it. I would've created more compilations.Dana White · 00:49:00

Lesson

The Ultimate Fighter bet: last $10M on a reality show, renewed in the arena alley

Funding your own distribution on the last-dollar bet retains 100% of the upside.

Spike TV (Nashville Network rebrand as "network for men") said no, then yes when UFC offered to fund production. The Ultimate Fighter Season 1 finale (Griffin/Bonnar, Cox Pavilion at UNLV, ~3,500-5,000 attendees) ended with the crowd stomping for more. Spike execs walked Dana and Lorenzo to the alley and shook on a renewal on a napkin. Without that last-$10M bet, UFC wouldn't have owned the content.

Owning the content compounds; being on someone else's content does not.

at the time, it's the last $10 million investment we're gonna make in the UFC... If The Ultimate Fighter didn't work, it's over. So the last $10 million investment... the thing is a runaway hit... Spike TV execs took us out in the alley of the arena and we did a deal on a napkin.Dana White · 00:19:00

The Plays

Try these this week

Verb-first executable actions — each one tied to a stated outcome in the episode.

Self-funded micro-bet to validate a new vertical ($3M for Power Slap)

Outcome: Use small partner capital ($1-3M range) for new-vertical validation when the operating template is already built.

Context: Dana saw Russian/Polish slap-fighting videos on Instagram in 2017-18, noticed he stayed to see who won (jaded by fighting, this was diagnostic). Called the Fertittas: "I need a million from each of you." They put up $3M total. Power Slap reality show now at 50M+ YouTube views; Michael Rubin offered $10M for the next bet sight-unseen.

So I called the Fertita brothers and I said, Hey, have you seen this slapping and stuff? I'm into it and da. And they said, how much money do you want? I said, I need a million dollars from both of you. I need a million... we put up 3 million bucks and it's killing it.
Dana White
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Before you start

  • · mature operating template
  • · 2-3 patient capital partners
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Give YouTubers/podcasters full event access and zero creative direction

Outcome: Give creators raw access and refuse to tell them what to make.

Context: Dana credits early embrace of YouTuber/podcaster culture for UFC's continued growth: "These young kids are the influencers. They actually have the influence." He grants full event access and zero creative notes. "How hard is that?"

You show up to any of my events, I give you full access film what you want, create what you want. The other thing is, is most people that that deal with content creators, they try to tell them, you have to do this, this, that, what the fuck do you know about creating content?
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Before you start

  • · confidence in your underlying product
  • · willingness to accept some unfavorable content
  • · ops capable of managing many simultaneous credentials

Kick the truck door — escalate immediately when culture is violated

Outcome: When a team ignores your direct creative instruction, escalate immediately and visibly — and follow through on the threat.

Context: Phil Baroni snapped at an interviewer mid-fight. Dana told the inherited Showtime production team to make it the interview. They refused and aired their own cut. Dana kicked the production truck door open mid-event and threatened to fire all of them. He later did fire them all and built his own team from scratch.

I literally got up from my seat and went back there and kicked the fucking truck door open. I said, you motherfuckers, if you ever fucking do that again, I'll fire every fucking one of you.
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Before you start

  • · authority to fire
  • · backup team ready to assemble
  • · willingness to absorb short-term operational pain

Tell the story before they're famous — onboard talent into a narrative early

Outcome: Tell the talent's story before they've earned the right to one — the narrative is the asset.

Context: On The Ultimate Fighter, UFC introduced fighters' backgrounds, training, families before they ever fought on the main card. Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell came out of the show as pay-per-view stars. Same model now powers Power Slap and UFC BJJ. Boxing produced trillions in revenue and "nothing exists at the end."

You guys tell, start telling the stories really, really early. So it's like before these people are competing on the reality show, you get to know who they are, what's important to them.
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Before you start

  • · talent pipeline
  • · reality-show production capacity
  • · willingness to feature talent who may flame out

Self-promote your own product in retail before anyone knows who you are

Outcome: When unknown, walk into stores yourself and reposition your product to the front.

Context: When DVDs were exploding, Dana would walk into the Wow Superstore up the street and physically move UFC DVDs into the top-20-of-the-week display. No one knew who he was. "That's how, talk about humble beginnings."

they had this huge display and it was the top 20 DVDs of the week. Literally nobody knew me then. So I'd look, I'd go there and grab our shit and put it in the front of the fucking store. I used to do that kinda shit.
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Before you start

  • · physical product
  • · anonymity
  • · stores with self-managed displays

Offer to pay-for-production to convert a no-distribution-network into yes

Outcome: When a distributor says no, offer to fund production and keep 100% of the rights.

Context: Spike TV said no to UFC. Dana offered to fund the entire Ultimate Fighter production — "the last $10M investment" — Spike said yes to free content. UFC retained 100% IP. When the show became a runaway hit, Spike execs negotiated the renewal in the arena alley on a napkin. Had Spike funded it, UFC wouldn't have owned the asset.

we go in, we pitch these guys, they're not really interested, you know what it's gonna cost. So we said, well, we'll pay for the whole thing, we'll pay for it, you just put it on your air. They liked that idea better.
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Before you start

  • · sufficient capital for one full season
  • · conviction the content will work
  • · willingness to risk last available capital
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Buy back the rights you sold off when the company was distressed

Outcome: Recapture sold-off IP from buyers who don't see its long-term value.

Context: Pre-sale, UFC had sold merchandise/library/video-game/DVD rights to Lionsgate. Dana and the Fertittas bought it all back for ~$2.5-3M. "Imagine if Lionsgate still owned all those rights." For reference: Shannon Lee has tried for decades to buy back Bruce Lee's film rights; current owners won't sell.

We went back to Lionsgate and we bought the rights back for like, I don't remember what it was, but it was like two and a half, 3 million bucks. We bought all those rights back.
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Before you start

  • · capital for IP buyback
  • · clarity on which rights matter
  • · sellers who don't see future value

Walk out the moment a partner claims credit for your business

Outcome: When a partner claims credit for your business in a negotiation, walk that same day.

Context: At a renewal lunch with Spike TV/Viacom exec Philippe Dauman, he told Dana and Lorenzo he "built the UFC" and could "just build another one." Dana walked, took UFC to Fox, then later to ESPN ($3B) and Paramount ($7.7B). "That guy ended up being one of the biggest brand killers of all time."

he tells us that he built the UFC and if we don't like the offer he's making, he'll just build another one. That's literally what he said. And we left that meeting.
Dana White
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Before you start

  • · independent business viability
  • · at least one alternative distribution path
  • · willingness to take a short-term revenue hit

Travel the live event everywhere — the live-experience is the brand engine

Outcome: Tour the live experience aggressively; treat each event as a top-of-funnel evangelism engine.

Context: UFC runs 43-44 events a year across the US and the world (vs 5 events/year when they bought it). Each attendee brings 5-7-10 new fans. Better live experience than NFL or NBA. Designed for live and broadcast to be equally strong.

the reason the UFC became as big as it did, as fast as it did, two reasons. We traveled the thing all around the United States and the world and we built a live event that when you come to the live event, very few people get really good live event experiences.
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Before you start

  • · touring ops capability
  • · talent willing to travel
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Build the bubble: invent a venue when the world shuts down

Outcome: When the world shuts down, find the one partner who can move fast and ship while competitors freeze.

Context: During COVID, Dana realized ESPN bean-counters would cut UFC first if no sports happened. He flew to Yas Island in Abu Dhabi, built the only true sports bubble, kept all 44 events on schedule, and pulled record ESPN numbers because UFC was the only live sport on air.

we end up talking to them. We go to Yaz Island and we built the only real bubble that existed during COVID. Like the people who moved into ya island from UAE, lived there for months and never went home and saw their family.
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Before you start

  • · one decisive partner jurisdiction
  • · willingness to relocate staff long-term
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Run a direct phone line from CEO to the production truck during every event

Outcome: Wire a direct, live, no-intermediary feedback channel from CEO to the people executing the customer experience.

Context: At every UFC event Dana sits at the apron with a phone direct to producer Zach in the truck. He's not watching fights — he's monitoring music volume, replay angles, broadcast graphics, in-house experience. "That was cool. That wasn't. Let's never do that again." This is how the show became "dialed."

I have a phone there that goes directly to the truck... I pick up the phone and there's a phone that goes right to the truck and I say, what the fuck was that? Let's never do that again.
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Before you start

  • · physical presence at every event
  • · trusted producer who can take feedback fast
  • · vocabulary the team understands

Decision Moments

Actual decisions, real outcomes

Specific decisions narrated in the episode with their outcomes and transferable lessons.

Spike TV's parent Viacom (CEO Philippe Dauman) demanded a renewal at lower terms, telling Dana and Lorenzo over lunch that "he built the UFC" and could "just build another one" if they didn't like the offer.

Did: Dana and Lorenzo walked out of the lunch immediately, did not negotiate, and pivoted UFC to Fox.Outcome: Fox deal was followed by ESPN ($3B) and Paramount ($7.7B). Dauman became known as one of the biggest brand killers of his era (MTV, Viacom legacy networks). UFC never went back to that ecosystem.

Walk the moment a partner claims credit for your business. The walk-away is the only counter to credit-claiming. Decision velocity matters: the walk happened in the same meeting.

Part of an emerging decision pattern across multiple episodes

COVID-19 shut down all live sports. NBA cancelled their season. ESPN was contractually committed to pay UFC regardless of events delivered. Dana could have stayed home with full revenue intact.

Did: Dana refused to stop. He flew lawyers calling every American venue (all bailed). Within weeks he negotiated with Sheikh Tahnoon to use Yas Island in Abu Dhabi, built the only true bubble in sports (multi-month quarantine, charter flights, repeated testing), and ran all 44 scheduled events.Outcome: UFC pulled record ESPN numbers — they were the only live sport on air. The business grew through COVID. The Fight Island operation became a template for crisis-era operational asymmetry.

When the world shuts down, the operator who keeps shipping captures the temporary monopoly. Find one decisive partner jurisdiction that can move at your speed.

Part of an emerging decision pattern across multiple episodes

Four years into owning UFC, having lost $10M+ on 5 events/year, Lorenzo Fertita called Dana and said he could no longer keep funding losses. He told Dana to find a buyer.

Did: Dana called back the next day with buyer interest at $6-8M. Lorenzo, after sleeping on it, said "Fuck it, let's keep going." They committed the last $10M to fund The Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV in exchange for distribution.Outcome: Ultimate Fighter became a runaway hit. Spike TV execs renegotiated the renewal in the arena alley on a napkin after the Forrest Griffin vs Stephan Bonnar finale. UFC retained 100% IP. The trajectory then ran Spike $35M → Fox $100M → ESPN $3B → Paramount $7.7B.

High-stakes exit decisions made under acute fatigue are biased toward sell; insert a sleep cycle before any irreversible call. And the last-dollar bet on owned distribution can build the $20B brand.

Part of an emerging decision pattern across multiple episodes

A long-term UFC sponsor's exec, post-COVID, told Dana "my board of directors is losing their patience with you" — citing Dana's Trump endorsement video on social media. The sponsor wanted Dana to take it down.

Did: Dana told the exec to take the deal value, "roll it up into a tiny little ball and shove it up your board's ass." UFC let the sponsorship lapse and refused to renew. Dana now filters all sponsorships for ideological alignment.Outcome: Loss of a meaningful sponsor, but new partners replaced the revenue. Authenticity preserved. Public signal sent that founder voice is non-negotiable.

Sponsors who try to direct founder voice must be fired regardless of contract size. Voice control sold to sponsors is the brand sold piece by piece.

Part of an emerging decision pattern across multiple episodes

Tensions surfaced

Contradictions and trade-offs the episode raises — judgment calls a thoughtful operator has to navigate.

Tension

Micromanage everything vs give full freedom — the false dichotomy

Founders should dictator-mode the controllables they understand best and grant total freedom where the operator knows more than they do.

Dana on John Jones at a Vegas club: "He's a fighter. There's nothing I can do about it." Same Dana kicks a production truck door for a missed creative call. The two postures cohabit because the domains are different — production is his expertise; fighter personal life and creator content are not.

The micromanage-vs-delegate dichotomy is false; the correct partition is by domain expertise.

You have this unique combination of almost like, and I don't mean this in a derogatory way, like micromanager, but also like give a lot of freedom to the people. So like, you don't even try to, there's two things that come to mind... it's like you always adopt new technology early. You understood the power of like these talkers, these YouTubers... Dana just gives us access to the events and no, you know how to build an audience.David Senra · 00:54:00

Corpus connection

Where this episode fits for retrieval

What kinds of decisions this briefing is best pulled into.

Primary decisions

  • strategic-bet
  • hire
  • fire
  • brand-building
  • negotiation